I LOVE living in Lisbon. Lately, people have been asking me if I really love it. I do. But, just like anywhere else in the world, it is not perfect. This is a list of the things I really dislike about living in Lisbon so that those of you who are thinking of moving here can make a truly educated decision before moving. So, while no place is perfect, IMHO, even after all these things you will hate about living in Lisbon, it is still a pretty freakin’ amazing place.
Things You Will Hate About Living in Lisbon
You Will Hate Portuguese Smokers
I lived in the New York area for a long time. I still remember when the smoking ban came into place. Even non-smokers were upset. After a while, we realized how awesome it was. Almost everyone I knew who smoked stopped smoking. Many European places are following suit. Not Lisbon. Lisboetas still smoke like chimneys. I don’t smoke and I find it so ridiculously disrespectful. Heck, as a non-smoker I have no way to avoid it. On a good note, looks like E-cigs are starting to take hold. It’s still a new technology, so who knows how this will go, but I’m kinda excited. But for now, I’ll still complain as I walk down the street trying to dodge smoke. Oh…almost forgot. The cigarette butts also get stuck between the stones of the calcada Portuguesa making the city look dirtier than it actually is.
You will Hate How Expensive Portuguese Electric EDP Bills are
A guide to understanding your EDP Electric Bill, cause it’s one of the things you will hate most about living in Lisbon Things are cheap in Lisbon…for the most part. However, electricity is not. I still remember my heart skipping a beat when I got an EDP bill that was almost €500 euros. Luckily, we know the system and know that we do not have to pay €500 for electricity during the winter holidays. We’ve figured out the perfect way to heat our home…but those EDP bills still hurt…maybe not as much…but they still sting a little.
You Will Hate the Calcada Portuguesa
Portuguese sidewalks are a pain…on your back, on your knees, and on your footwear Yeah, the Portuguese streets are gorgeous. They’re hand chiseled, hand installed, and hand repaired. The designs are gorgeous. However, after days of walking on stones, your back is going to hurt – a lot. When it rains, the stones are slippery as heck, and the stones tend to pop out so that when you’re wearing sandals, you stub your toes and break your toenails on them. Oh…and I’ve had to put my entire stiletto collection into semi-retirement. Heels like to get stuck in the spaces between the calcada…that means no Giuseppe Zanottis. That makes me sad. So, yeah, the Calcada Portuguesa is cute the first month…but in time, you’ll hate them.
The Seven Hills
Lisbon’s hills are gorgeous, but unforgiving Actually, eight. Lisbon has eight hills. The hills mean incredible views. Unfortunately, these hills are filled with that horrid Calcada Portuguesa. I’ve gotten used to it and my buns are looking like steel, but damn if I didn’t hate those hills the first few months, especially when they got wet. And driving on those hills…I just refuse to do it. That’s all sorts of scary. Anyway…the hills suck and that was a huge consideration for me on which of the best neighborhoods in Lisbon I should move to.
You Will Hate The Language
Words related to buildings and real estate in Iberian Portuguese If you know me, you know I have a thing for language. My first language was Spanish, my native language is English (not really – I had to learn it when I was nine, but it has become my native language), I adore French, and I can get along well in Italian. I’m also learning Japanese in my spare time. Whenever I go to a new country I try to learn at least enough to order a bottle of wine. Languages aren’t really a difficult thing for me. Portuguese is damn hard. I’ve never had such a hard time learning a language. Even with 1-hour classes twice weekly with my amazing private Portuguese tutor, I had a hard time learning the language. There are so many sounds, so many rules…and so many exceptions to those rules. Portuguese is a frustrating language, but I highly recommend that you learn it if you decide to move to Lisbon.
You Will Hate The Portuguese Bureaucracy
Portugal has a fetish with paperwork and stamps. When I first moved here, I spent hours…no, days…waiting on lines at the CNAI, at the SEF, at the AT, at the IMT…oftentimes I found that speaking to different people got me different answers…and it seemed that every time I needed to do something, after spending hours getting all my paperwork together, I’d get to the office in question to be told I needed something else. Changing my US license to a Portuguese license took me three visits and countless hours. I’ve learned to be patient…I think. I’m currently trying to prove to the AT that Antonio and I are not married (we’re not – we’re atheists who don’t believe in marriage and have never been married). I’ve been there three times already…and it is still not resolved. Ugh.
You Will Hate How Animals Are Treated in Portugal
There are so many dogs in Portugal that need a home Lisbon is pretty good when it comes to animal treatment (particularly when compared to the rest of the country). Let’s get into why Portugal (not necessarily Lisbon sucks for animal treatment): Bullfights are Legal. In Lisbon, there is a bullring that is still in use for animal torture. Yes, the torture of bulls in the name of tradition. There Are Two Designations For Dogs: working dogs & pets. Why is this a problem? While dogs are treated fairly well here, there are plenty of dogs and in the city, most are treated well, but working dogs are seen as property, as tools, and are treated like crap. They are left on window sills, roofs, backyards. They are tied to ropes with no human or canine attention. The house across from mine leaves its German Shepherd out all day and night regardless of the weather. It is heartbreaking to see him there alone at all times. It’s simply crap, but unfortunately, he is a designated guard dog and as such does not have the same rights as my animal de estimaçao (my Portuguese Podengo – Santino Maria) who is a dog of leisure. Hunting dogs that don’t perform are tied to trees and left to starve. Cats are Burned in the Name of Tradition This does not happen in Lisbon, but in Mourao, they put a cat in a basket, put the basket on a pole, set the pole on fire and see what happens – in the name of tradition (Mourao – unless you’re working to change this, you are an a-hole). It’s crap. It makes me angry. This is probably the one thing that infuriates me. Each time I see news like this it just makes me want to destroy some “humans”. I’d go on, but I’m already angry and Antonio is working on a piece that will explain the situation without me having to get upset while I write.
You Will Hate The Lines
How to transfer your US license to a Portuguese one? Start by standing on line for a long time. The first thing you need to know about Portugal is that any time you walk into a store or need a service, you will need to take a ticket. If you don’t take the ticket…you’ll get skipped on lines over and over. Lines are everywhere. Lines are long. You’ll get cut by tias de Cascais – often. People will get on a line and leave their cart or basket and then come back and get upset if you have moved ahead of them. Patience will be your biggest ally when you move to Lisbon. There are a few rules you must remember when waiting on lines.
Let older people cut you
Let pregnant women cut you
Let women with kids cut you
Let people with 1-3 items cut you
These are unspoken rules, but the sooner you learn them, the easier your life will be.
You Will Hate Tourists & Cruise Boats
You will hate the cruise boats when they land in Lisbon Tourism is great for Lisbon. It’s also horrible for it. In 2017 alone, tourism rose by 12% in Portugal to 12.7 million. Most of these people visited Lisbon, Porto, and the Algarve. There are neighborhoods in Lisbon that are insufferable. Bairro Alto is filled with British tourists that seem to live to be drunk by 10 am. When the cruise boats arrive at the Alfama, the city is filled with people who flood these small, traditional towns so much that they are almost unnavigable. I’m all for tourism helping the city, but I really wish that they’d cut back on the cruise boats…just a little at least.
You Will Hate the Noise from the Planes in Lisbon
One of the things you will hate about living in Lisbon is all the noise pollution from the planes Yeah…so tourism dollars are great, but planes are damn loud and my house is right on the flight path. On days when the winds are rough, planes tend to fly lower and are even louder. During peak travel season (April to October), the planes start landing at 5 am and end at 3 am…so that’s only 2 hours of noise-free sleeping. There is an awesome resource from the Camara Municipal de Lisboa that shows you a map of the noise pollution in Lisbon…funny how it coincides with the flight path…and did I mention that Lisbon is getting a second airport soon? Joy! Bookmark the map, it will come in handy when you begin to search for an apartment in Lisbon. Did I mention we’re getting a second airport in Lisbon?
You Will Hate The Smell Of Bacalhau
Do you love the smell of pungent old fish? If you do, then you’ll love bacalhau, but most of us normal people don’t There are few smells more nauseating than the smell of dried, salted Bacalhau. If you head to supermarkets – especially during the holidays – and you go towards the fish section, you will be brutally confronted by the pungent, powerful smell of Bacalhau. It is revolting and somehow, Portuguese people love it. It is said there are 365 ways to cook bacalhau…after living in Lisbon, I would be happy to never smell dry bacalhau again. I’m fine with cooked cod…but the dried salted stuff is repugnant. And wanna know what is even crazier…they don’t even have that fish here. It comes from Norway. Go figure.
You Will Hate The Rising Prices
People starting moving to Portugal because they kept hearing how cheap it was. And yes…it was. However, the cost of things in Lisbon is rising. They’re not rising enough to stop people from moving here, but they are rising enough that locals are getting priced out of the city. There are some neighborhoods that are more French or English than they are Portuguese. I get it. This happens. Heck, it happened in Manhattan, Brooklyn, and it is happening in Queens. Gentrification is real in Portugal, the problem is that it is happening at an incredibly quick rate that it is not allowing locals to adjust. The prices of apartments make it very hard for native Lisboetas to live here. The average salary in Lisbon is 860 euros. Rental prices for a decent apartment in Lisbon start at 1,000. Needless to say, the numbers just don’t work. This issue also causes strain on their relationships with expats/immigrants like me who add to the very complicated housing problem. It’s not just low salaries, Airbnb, and new foreign residents that cause the issue, it is many, many things that exacerbate the issue, So while I know that I am a part of this issue, I try to live here with respect to those who were here before me and to support the local economy as much as possible.
You Will Hate the “Parking Assistants”
I drove for a living for a long time when I sold wine in New York City. I am an incredible driver and I can park a car in the tightest of spots. Unfortunately, just like in Colombia, there are men here who are self-employed as parking assistants. They will “help” you get into parking spots in street parking location. They do this in exchange for a Euro or so – whether you need it or not. I’ve come to terms with this service and just let them help me park. It’s incredibly annoying though. Even with all these things, you will hate about living in Lisbon, I think you will love it. I do…and as I mentioned, the only thing I regret is not moving here sooner. If you have questions about moving to Lisbon, running a digital business, or other similar things, just leave a comment. Antonio or I will get back to you!
37 thoughts on “Things You Will Hate About Living in Lisbon”
Ariel
Such an informative post. Also congrats on knowing so many languages it definitely seems like through everything you remain very positive about Lisbon. My heart breaks for the dogs though.
Dani
I often read blogs about all the wonderful things about a certain place. I found this post about all the things you dont like very refreshing. I love your honesty and your love for your Lisbon still shines through. Thank you very much!
Blanca Valbuena
Hey Dani,
Yeah. I love living here, but always writing about the good things can give people an inaccurate impression. I always recommend to people to try out a place before making a permanent move…especially if it is a different country. Three months is usually a good amount of time to figure out if you will really love living in a place.
Have a wonderful year! Blanca
Blanca Valbuena
It certainly helps. I think some people just have an affinity for languages (our brains are all so different). I’m with you on the dogs. I’m a doggy guardian and I can’t even begin to understand how people can treat dogs badly when they are so incredibly loving.
Laura G
This is a great article. People always think that living in Europe is the greatest thing. Past the excitement, there are many frustrating aspects, which you perfectly depicted!
Tiffany
I love that you told us all the reasons why we’d hate it, I’m so used to hearing about why I’ll love it! Things like animal treatment I’d have to hands-down agree with you, but as far as some of the other stuff, I feel like I’d have to see it for myself. I could definitely see the frustration with the streets but they look so pretty so me!
It is very unusual to come across a post which tells you the thing you will hate in a certain place. Makes me think that all these wonderful travel destinations have certain drawbacks too. Thanks for sharing true information with us
Terri Beavers
I wanted to cry about the bullring still being used. That is sad. I would hate having an electric bill that high.
Monidipa Dutta
After reading this I can bet that you will hate staying in certain parts of India because they are same. However you are great enough to point out these stuff…
Blanca Valbuena
There are problems anywhere people live. No place is perfect. I love living in Lisbon and settled here after doing tons of slow travel and doing research. But you’re so right, it’s important for all of us who write about certain locations to speak honestly about the drawbacks of living somewhere so people don’t get an idea that moving to xyz place is perfect. It’s wonderful, but there are certain things you’re bound to hate no matter where you live.
Blanca Valbuena
That’s exactly how people should look at things. A healthy dose of skepticism is so good. And just for clarity…I love Lisbon and I am thrilled to call it home. It makes me happy, just wanted to give everyone a more honest look into the things they may not love when they move to Lisbon. I still would not change living here for the world. It is a perfect place to call home (at least for me it is).
Blanca Valbuena
I actually got the idea from a very click-baity post that was titled why you should never go to Lisbon and listed all the good things about living here. I figured why not give an opposing POV. I love living here, but I wanted to give those who are thinking about moving to Lisbon a clear view to understanding that while it is great to live in Portugal, that not all is perfect.
Blanca Valbuena
It makes me so sad that bullfighting is still legal here in Portugal. But I have hope that things will change (and hopefully soon). On a good note, I’ve figured out ways to lower my EDP bill costs, so that’s starting to hurt less and less 🙂
Blanca Valbuena
You know…I haven’t made it to India yet. I’ve heard some amazing things about Goa (I’ve got lots of friends that come from there). If you were to recommend a place for me to visit there, what city or region do you think I would like?
Karen Monica
I believe there are good and bad in every place and country. Usually people love to share only the beautiful side of places. But I really like your honest article about what you hate.
Blanca Valbuena
Right? I feel like most of the blogs out there just share the good. There are plenty of good things about moving to Lisbon – like the great weather, the beautiful buildings, and the food…but I thought it would be good to share the not so great stuff too so that those looking to move to Portugal have a clearer view as to what to expect.
alison
This is an interesting perspective. As a tourist visiting Lisbon ( I went before 2017), I loved the city, but I know it’s totally different when you live somewhere. The smoking though is terrible. As a former smoker who now hates it, I truly bugs the crap out of me. Good luck with the language and Japanese on the side, how cool are you?
Marysa
I am not too familiar with Lisbon, so it was interesting to read your blog post. It sounds like your gripes are common in a lot of cities. That is interesting about the cobbled type streets. Our city tried to do “mock” cobbles with stamped walkways, and they have not held up well. It’s funny how something perceived to be so important is actually not so important. Sad to hear about the way the animals are treated – that’s something we see when we travel and it is heartbreaking.
Blanca Valbuena
So funny. I smoked when I was young and stupid (you know the fake smoking kids do where they bum cigarettes to strike up a conversation). I can’t imagine how I ever did that now. Lucky for me it was a very short stint of time for me. And I’m actually all kinds of dorky 🙂
Blanca Valbuena
Marysa,
I think that’s true too. I never thought of the stamped walkways not holding up well…bummer. I was just telling Antonio that that may be a nice solution, keep the calcada Portuguesa only to the historic areas and do a mock calcada in the rest of the city…but my dreams have gone up in smoke.
pedro
Thanks for sharing the bad stuff. I would also add a few such as lack of parks and too much traffic. I actually leave the city every second weekend because i cannot bear the chaos of this city anymore. Hopefully people will realise that living in Lisbon has a lot of drawbacks and would move somewhere. If i could change job, i would leave Lisbon in a blink of an eye since I prefer peace and nature to this messed up city.
Blanca Valbuena
You are so right, Pedro. I used to live right by Central Park…and that’s the one thing I miss. To go to a large park, I have to drive to Monsanto. Parque Eduardo VII is lovely, but not all that big. Same with Campo Grande, it is lovely, but not big enough to get lost in…and the noise from the planes overhead make it harder to forget you’re in the city. I still love living here, Lisbon fits so many of my needs…and since I don’t drive often, I get to miss all the traffic (which has gotten crazy recently). Great addition to the list.
Bharat
India is a lot like Europe – about 50% the size, 30 odd states each with its own culture, customs, language, cuisine, and in many cases bickering! So a lot depends on what you want to experience- heritage, architecture, arts, nature, wildlife? If you do not like long queues and love primeval wilderness and quaint customs and exotic wild life, try the trans Himalayas – Ladakh, Sikkim, Arunachal. If sea and beaches, not much beats the sequestered A&N Is. where local aborigines still live as did our ancestors 3000 yrs back. The palaces and forts of Rajasthan are worth a trip too.
Blanca Valbuena
Hi Bharat,
I’ve heard some amazing things about India. I have friends from Kerala and Goa. I think every country has something to offer all different kinds of people, it’s up to us to look for what fits us best.
I eventually need to make it there 🙂 Blanca
Rex
Can you please give some tips or strategies on how you figured out ways to lower your EDP bill costs, so that’s starting to hurt less and less. Would be very helpful as I am attempting to move to Lisbon in the near future. Thank You Rex
mari
I am from Lisbon and i am fed up with all the hype about Lisbon. Sure is unique and peculiar, sure there are nice wine and food, sure is cheap compared to so some other countries. But it sucks hell, it is dirty, noisy and the lack of silent green areas like in Stockholm or Bergen is terrible, there is Monsanto park but it is not enough. Portugal, specially Lisbon, is overcrowded and full of roads, main roads and dull, boring suburbs. If you don’t have money you end up on these boring subu8rbs we call dorms cause it is just a place to sleep after an exhausting workday. if one’s into nature, outdoors, quiet life, this city is for sure not a good choice.
Blanca Valbuena
Hi Mari,
You’re not the only one to say this here. I wrote this post exactly because of the hype you mention. I see way too many people who want to move here because of all the hype. I want the people who move here to come because they love it…and Lisbon (and Portugal) are not for everybody. I think everyone should travel here for a long-term stay before they move to see if they will actually love it here. I came I think 4 or 5 times before deciding to make my move. I love Portugal – and I adore living in Lisbon, but nobody seems to be speaking about the negatives of the city – and just like any place in the world, there are plenty.
For me, coming from NYC, Lisbon is paradise. I don’t miss going on the metro to 116th street and seeing from 20-100 rats at a time with very little flight distance. The metro here is sparkling clean in comparison.
When it snowed, it was pretty for about 5 minutes, then the snow would turn black and yellow…then white again from another layer of snow, then black and yellow – the process repeated itself often. When the snow melted it was gross. It was also frigid.
I like that when I go out, I am not immediately asked: “What do you do for a living”.
I 100% agree with you on the suburbs.
We don’t have an equivalent for nature in walking distance in NYC like we have Monsanto here – so that spot is a HUGE plus for me. I tend to split up my time between Monsanto, Campo Grande, and Quinta das Conchas when I’m in town. For those who are more into nature and quiet, maybe Setubal state would be a nice choice.
It is important that people have a clear view into both the positives and negatives of living here…and I can recognize that people who were born here have an incredibly hard time making it. Here’s hoping a touch of honesty from all of us here helps to put things in perspective. Thank you for taking the time to give everyone another view point.
Svi
Thanks for your post! I can’t find any information about noise pollution in Cascais. Its only 30 minutes from airport. Is it loud there?
Blanca Valbuena
Hi Svi,
Thanks for checking out the post. I’ve been to Cascais and I’ve never noticed airplane noise. I don’t think they are really on the flight path (and definitely not the way Lisbon is). It’s a lovely city by the way.
here reading this article at 6am because the steady stream of jet engines woke me an hour ago. I’ll look for a white noise generator today. but no Amazon in Portugal as far as i understand.
Blanca Valbuena
Try Amazon Spain, UK, or DE. You may be able to find a good one there. Also check out Custo Justo. Happy Sleeping 🙂
Victoria G
Thank you for clarifying the challenge of learning Portuguese. I attended a one week intensive class in Santos months ago and just struggled. Since August I have been taking an online class and still struggle with conversations. I must point out my Portuguese reading comprehension and written vocabulary skills have progressed, yet verbal listening is just gibberish to me. I studied Spanish and French decades ago and navigated quite well verbally during my travels over the years in Spain, Latin America and France. I visited Brazil over 10 years ago and on day 5 of my visit there I could understand basic verbal conversations and I’d reply back in Spanish. Maybe my brain is just addled, haha.
Blanca Valbuena
No worries Victoria, Portuguese is a challenging language. It isn’t just the grammar, but all those sounds that make up the language. In Latin-American Spanish, things sound as they are written, not so in Portuguese. The other issue I still have is hearing the words, in Portuguese, it is common to eat your vowels in informal (aka – every day) conversation, so it is easier to read and write than it is to pronounce. Definitely not your brain. I was lucky to find my tutor, Nuno. He is incredibly patient and we learn one on one. This has helped me incredibly to learn how to hear and speak. You can see a video of him and I going through some basic Portuguese phrases here.
Such an informative post. Also congrats on knowing so many languages it definitely seems like through everything you remain very positive about Lisbon. My heart breaks for the dogs though.
I often read blogs about all the wonderful things about a certain place. I found this post about all the things you dont like very refreshing. I love your honesty and your love for your Lisbon still shines through. Thank you very much!
Hey Dani,
Yeah. I love living here, but always writing about the good things can give people an inaccurate impression. I always recommend to people to try out a place before making a permanent move…especially if it is a different country. Three months is usually a good amount of time to figure out if you will really love living in a place.
Have a wonderful year!
Blanca
It certainly helps. I think some people just have an affinity for languages (our brains are all so different). I’m with you on the dogs. I’m a doggy guardian and I can’t even begin to understand how people can treat dogs badly when they are so incredibly loving.
This is a great article. People always think that living in Europe is the greatest thing. Past the excitement, there are many frustrating aspects, which you perfectly depicted!
I love that you told us all the reasons why we’d hate it, I’m so used to hearing about why I’ll love it! Things like animal treatment I’d have to hands-down agree with you, but as far as some of the other stuff, I feel like I’d have to see it for myself. I could definitely see the frustration with the streets but they look so pretty so me!
It is very unusual to come across a post which tells you the thing you will hate in a certain place. Makes me think that all these wonderful travel destinations have certain drawbacks too. Thanks for sharing true information with us
I wanted to cry about the bullring still being used. That is sad. I would hate having an electric bill that high.
After reading this I can bet that you will hate staying in certain parts of India because they are same. However you are great enough to point out these stuff…
There are problems anywhere people live. No place is perfect. I love living in Lisbon and settled here after doing tons of slow travel and doing research. But you’re so right, it’s important for all of us who write about certain locations to speak honestly about the drawbacks of living somewhere so people don’t get an idea that moving to xyz place is perfect. It’s wonderful, but there are certain things you’re bound to hate no matter where you live.
That’s exactly how people should look at things. A healthy dose of skepticism is so good. And just for clarity…I love Lisbon and I am thrilled to call it home. It makes me happy, just wanted to give everyone a more honest look into the things they may not love when they move to Lisbon. I still would not change living here for the world. It is a perfect place to call home (at least for me it is).
I actually got the idea from a very click-baity post that was titled why you should never go to Lisbon and listed all the good things about living here. I figured why not give an opposing POV. I love living here, but I wanted to give those who are thinking about moving to Lisbon a clear view to understanding that while it is great to live in Portugal, that not all is perfect.
It makes me so sad that bullfighting is still legal here in Portugal. But I have hope that things will change (and hopefully soon). On a good note, I’ve figured out ways to lower my EDP bill costs, so that’s starting to hurt less and less 🙂
You know…I haven’t made it to India yet. I’ve heard some amazing things about Goa (I’ve got lots of friends that come from there). If you were to recommend a place for me to visit there, what city or region do you think I would like?
I believe there are good and bad in every place and country. Usually people love to share only the beautiful side of places. But I really like your honest article about what you hate.
Right? I feel like most of the blogs out there just share the good. There are plenty of good things about moving to Lisbon – like the great weather, the beautiful buildings, and the food…but I thought it would be good to share the not so great stuff too so that those looking to move to Portugal have a clearer view as to what to expect.
This is an interesting perspective. As a tourist visiting Lisbon ( I went before 2017), I loved the city, but I know it’s totally different when you live somewhere. The smoking though is terrible. As a former smoker who now hates it, I truly bugs the crap out of me. Good luck with the language and Japanese on the side, how cool are you?
I am not too familiar with Lisbon, so it was interesting to read your blog post. It sounds like your gripes are common in a lot of cities. That is interesting about the cobbled type streets. Our city tried to do “mock” cobbles with stamped walkways, and they have not held up well. It’s funny how something perceived to be so important is actually not so important. Sad to hear about the way the animals are treated – that’s something we see when we travel and it is heartbreaking.
So funny. I smoked when I was young and stupid (you know the fake smoking kids do where they bum cigarettes to strike up a conversation). I can’t imagine how I ever did that now. Lucky for me it was a very short stint of time for me. And I’m actually all kinds of dorky 🙂
Marysa,
I think that’s true too. I never thought of the stamped walkways not holding up well…bummer. I was just telling Antonio that that may be a nice solution, keep the calcada Portuguesa only to the historic areas and do a mock calcada in the rest of the city…but my dreams have gone up in smoke.
Thanks for sharing the bad stuff. I would also add a few such as lack of parks and too much traffic. I actually leave the city every second weekend because i cannot bear the chaos of this city anymore. Hopefully people will realise that living in Lisbon has a lot of drawbacks and would move somewhere. If i could change job, i would leave Lisbon in a blink of an eye since I prefer peace and nature to this messed up city.
You are so right, Pedro. I used to live right by Central Park…and that’s the one thing I miss. To go to a large park, I have to drive to Monsanto. Parque Eduardo VII is lovely, but not all that big. Same with Campo Grande, it is lovely, but not big enough to get lost in…and the noise from the planes overhead make it harder to forget you’re in the city. I still love living here, Lisbon fits so many of my needs…and since I don’t drive often, I get to miss all the traffic (which has gotten crazy recently). Great addition to the list.
India is a lot like Europe – about 50% the size, 30 odd states each with its own culture, customs, language, cuisine, and in many cases bickering!
So a lot depends on what you want to experience- heritage, architecture, arts, nature, wildlife?
If you do not like long queues and love primeval wilderness and quaint customs and exotic wild life, try the trans Himalayas – Ladakh, Sikkim, Arunachal. If sea and beaches, not much beats the sequestered A&N Is. where local aborigines still live as did our ancestors 3000 yrs back. The palaces and forts of Rajasthan are worth a trip too.
Hi Bharat,
I’ve heard some amazing things about India. I have friends from Kerala and Goa. I think every country has something to offer all different kinds of people, it’s up to us to look for what fits us best.
I eventually need to make it there 🙂
Blanca
Can you please give some tips or strategies on how you figured out ways to lower your EDP bill costs, so that’s starting to hurt less and less. Would be very helpful as I am attempting to move to Lisbon in the near future.
Thank You
Rex
I am from Lisbon and i am fed up with all the hype about Lisbon. Sure is unique and peculiar, sure there are nice wine and food, sure is cheap compared to so some other countries. But it sucks hell, it is dirty, noisy and the lack of silent green areas like in Stockholm or Bergen is terrible, there is Monsanto park but it is not enough. Portugal, specially Lisbon, is overcrowded and full of roads, main roads and dull, boring suburbs. If you don’t have money you end up on these boring subu8rbs we call dorms cause it is just a place to sleep after an exhausting workday. if one’s into nature, outdoors, quiet life, this city is for sure not a good choice.
Hi Mari,
You’re not the only one to say this here. I wrote this post exactly because of the hype you mention. I see way too many people who want to move here because of all the hype. I want the people who move here to come because they love it…and Lisbon (and Portugal) are not for everybody. I think everyone should travel here for a long-term stay before they move to see if they will actually love it here. I came I think 4 or 5 times before deciding to make my move. I love Portugal – and I adore living in Lisbon, but nobody seems to be speaking about the negatives of the city – and just like any place in the world, there are plenty.
For me, coming from NYC, Lisbon is paradise. I don’t miss going on the metro to 116th street and seeing from 20-100 rats at a time with very little flight distance. The metro here is sparkling clean in comparison.
When it snowed, it was pretty for about 5 minutes, then the snow would turn black and yellow…then white again from another layer of snow, then black and yellow – the process repeated itself often. When the snow melted it was gross. It was also frigid.
I like that when I go out, I am not immediately asked: “What do you do for a living”.
I 100% agree with you on the suburbs.
We don’t have an equivalent for nature in walking distance in NYC like we have Monsanto here – so that spot is a HUGE plus for me. I tend to split up my time between Monsanto, Campo Grande, and Quinta das Conchas when I’m in town. For those who are more into nature and quiet, maybe Setubal state would be a nice choice.
It is important that people have a clear view into both the positives and negatives of living here…and I can recognize that people who were born here have an incredibly hard time making it. Here’s hoping a touch of honesty from all of us here helps to put things in perspective. Thank you for taking the time to give everyone another view point.
Thanks for your post!
I can’t find any information about noise pollution in Cascais.
Its only 30 minutes from airport. Is it loud there?
Hi Svi,
Thanks for checking out the post. I’ve been to Cascais and I’ve never noticed airplane noise. I don’t think they are really on the flight path (and definitely not the way Lisbon is). It’s a lovely city by the way.
🙂
Blanca
Found this map of noise pollution in Cascais. It is from 2010, but it may give you an idea as to the quieter places to live in Cascais http://www.apambiente.pt/_zdata/DAR/Ruido/SituacaoNacional/MapasRuidoMunicipais/Cascais_Lden.pdf
here reading this article at 6am because the steady stream of jet engines woke me an hour ago. I’ll look for a white noise generator today. but no Amazon in Portugal as far as i understand.
Try Amazon Spain, UK, or DE. You may be able to find a good one there. Also check out Custo Justo. Happy Sleeping 🙂
Thank you for clarifying the challenge of learning Portuguese. I attended a one week intensive class in Santos months ago and just struggled. Since August I have been taking an online class and still struggle with conversations. I must point out my Portuguese reading comprehension and written vocabulary skills have progressed, yet verbal listening is just gibberish to me. I studied Spanish and French decades ago and navigated quite well verbally during my travels over the years in Spain, Latin America and France. I visited Brazil over 10 years ago and on day 5 of my visit there I could understand basic verbal conversations and I’d reply back in Spanish. Maybe my brain is just addled, haha.
No worries Victoria, Portuguese is a challenging language. It isn’t just the grammar, but all those sounds that make up the language. In Latin-American Spanish, things sound as they are written, not so in Portuguese. The other issue I still have is hearing the words, in Portuguese, it is common to eat your vowels in informal (aka – every day) conversation, so it is easier to read and write than it is to pronounce. Definitely not your brain. I was lucky to find my tutor, Nuno. He is incredibly patient and we learn one on one. This has helped me incredibly to learn how to hear and speak. You can see a video of him and I going through some basic Portuguese phrases here.
Hey Alison,
It looks like things are slowly changing in Portugal, they just announced a law that will significantly reduce the number of smoking-friendly restaurants and bars: https://blancavalbuena.com/portuguese-smoking-ban-goes-into-effect/
Hope you’re having a great holiday season,
Blanca